Showing posts with label Internet. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Internet. Show all posts

Portuguese fifth-most used language online, Chinese very close to English

Friday, May 17, 2013

Came across an article here, apparently referencing data from the International Telecommunication Union, a UN body. After a good amount of searching on the ITU site though it turns out that the numbers do not come from there, they come from our well-known Internetworldstats, a very interesting site to visit but one that updates its numbers perhaps once a year.

French at 60 million still seems very low, and I wish they would add more languages to this top ten. Other back in 2009 was 15.1%, now it's 17.8%.

Portuguese is the fifth most "spoken" language on the internet. Data provided by the International Telecommunication Union show Portuguese to have surpassed Arabic, French and German among the languages with the largest number of online users. The expansion of the internet in Brazil in the past ten years explains most of this, giving at least 83 million people using Portuguese online. The expectation is that it will surpass Japanese (99 million users), reaching fourth place. 
Other numbers:  
English: 565 million
Chinese: 510 million
Spanish: 165 million
German: 75 million
Arabic: 65 million
French: 60 million



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Chineses serão os maiores utilizadores de Internet em 2015

Sunday, September 30, 2012

From here in Portuguese:

The Chinese will be the biggest users of the Internet in 2015, surpassing even users of the English language. The conclusion is from a study made by the Broadband Commission of the United Nations.

The predictions are made taking into account the annual growth rates in different countries and different languages. In May 2011 there were 565 million English Internet users and 510 million Chinese. The two languages are, by far, the most represented online - English by the universality of the language, Chinese by its population.

The number of Internet users in China has grown thanks to smartphones, where one finds half of world sales of smartphones. In contrast, only 12% of Chinese have broadband connections at home.

The UN study shows Portuguese as the fifth most represent language on the Internet. Spanish and Japanese are in third and fourth.

Now let's see if we can find that study...here it is (PDF). And...looks like they just got the numbers from internetworldstats, what a disappointment. Internetworldstats doesn't really update their top internet languages anymore, and only taking into account the top ten leaves you with a huge number of "other" languages that is only surpassed by English and Chinese. At least some parts of the rest of it (Section 4, Annex 1 for example) are interesting.

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New numbers from internetworldstats.com, now for May 2011

Tuesday, April 03, 2012

I'm not sure exactly when the numbers on internetworldstats were changed, but I think it must have been within the last month as I usually end up checking their numbers every few weeks or so.

The last post I wrote on their numbers was here, and as before the image they have is older than the numbers below so it's easy to compare. Last time the comparison was between December 2009 to June 2010; this time it's June 2010 to May 2010, a full year.

Strangely, the only numbers that have changed since that time have been English, Chinese and Spanish:

English: 537 million to 565 million (+27 million)
Chinese: 445 million to 510 million (+65 million)
Spanish: 153 million to 164 million (+11 million)

Either very few countries have released census data since that time (unlikely) or the site owners have neglected to factor this in (much more likely, unfortunately).


Another interesting source for online languages is this one:

http://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/content_language/all

which analyzes websites themselves, not countries and their populations. It begins thus:


English
56.1%
German
6.6%
Japanese
4.9%
Russian
4.8%
Spanish, Castilian
4.6%
Chinese
4.4%
French
4.1%
Italian
2.2%
Portuguese
2.1%
Polish
1.5%
Arabic
1.2%
Dutch, Flemish
1.1%
Turkish
1.1%
Swedish
0.7%
Persian
0.6%
Czech
0.6%
Korean
0.4%



Something about it does not seem right, however. Persian and Czech with 50% more content than Korean, and Swedish with almost twice as much? Highly unlikely.

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Link roundup for 24 January 2012

Wednesday, January 25, 2012

--- First of all from the department of I told you so: this article on possible cooperation between NASA, Russia and the ESA on moon colonization. Aside from the terrible launch windows to Mars, the fact that the moon is the only area that so-called second-tier spacefaring nations can help to colonize will make it the inevitable choice for first permanent manned colonization. In other words, if the US is not interested in colonizing the moon then it will end up watching other countries do it before it launches its planned Mars flyby in the mid-2030s.


--- Twitter is opening its third office in Europe, this time in Germany. Found about it here in Spanish.

--- The CPLP (Community of Portuguese Language Countries) is looking at sending some sort of joint mission to Guinea-Bissau. From here also in Spanish.

--- Xhosa, Zulu being axed at state schools - "Last year, 68455 matrics countrywide wrote Afrikaans as their first additional language, whereas only 10943 wrote Zulu and a mere 1547 wrote Xhosa." Chock full of comments below, as is always the case with articles of this nature.

--- Cape Town's new fully bilingual talk radio.

--- Incoherent party, incoherent candidates. The Economist on the current state of the GOP in the United States.

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Internet, la nueva revolucion

Saturday, December 17, 2011

Found this on Menéame today:



It's a Spanish news program on the internet, circa 1996.

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Instituto Cervantes: Spanish now second-most spoken language by number of native speakers

Monday, October 24, 2011

From an article here in Spanish, one that mentions something I wrote about a short while ago: that the future of Spanish is very closely tied up with its progress in the US and Brazil, but also very much to do with Mexico and whether it can ever straighten itself out.

Spanish is the official language of 21 countries. In others, such as the United States, it is showing an unstoppable rise, while often being maligned and undervalued. Spanish is now the world's second-most spoken language by native speakers, only behind Chinese and ahead of English. More than 450 million speak Spanish, a number that will increase: in 2030, 7.5% of the world will speak Spanish (note: 450 million now represents 6.4%), and in 2050 the United States will have become the largest Spanish-speaking country in the world. All these figures come from the report "El español, un lengua viva" developed last year by the Instituto Cervantes. The report is optimistic about the strength of the language and argues that now "in the moment where global society requires one to be in contact with the most diverse parts of the planet, all data confirm that it is one of the three or four large languages that channel international relations." Its prestige, says the report, will only grow.

Then a paragraph or two about how Spanish was always looked down on as the "Latin of the poor" and had little prestige compared to other Romance languages for a number of centuries...

In addition to the 21 countries where it is the official language, there are two others, the United States and Brazil, where this language has a growing importance.

Remaining issues for Spanish: Europe, where its importance in universities and the business world is still well behind English, French and German, and the internet, where its use is only 7% compared to English at 70%.

What? Spanish at 7% and English at 70%? Impossible - there are about 2 billion internet users in the world and a quarter of them are Chinese. Let's take a closer look at the report itself:

http://www.cervantes.es/imagenes/File/prensa/El%20espaol%20una%20lengua%20viva.pdf

Hm...weird. The report itself doesn't mention any 70% number for English on the internet. The closest thing to it is a chart at the end showing the number of indexed pages per language from 1998 to 2007 where English was once at 75%, but quickly fell to 60% the next year (1999) and to 45% in 2007. Interestingly, the chart shows this during the same time period:

Spanish went from 2.53% to 3.8%
French went from 2.81% to 4.41%
The "rest" went from 13.44% to 36.54%. For some reason this "rest" is never broken down into its constituent parts even though Romanian receives its own section, going from 0.15% to 0.28%.

Some parts of the report are quite good though; I may summarize it in more detail in the near future.

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Wall Street Journal plans German online version from December

Sunday, August 28, 2011

This news is about two weeks old but I just noticed it today:

News Corp is to start a German version of the American economic journal "Wall Street Journal". It will be available at wsj.de, and a million euros is to be invested in the German version. It will focus on international economic news and be free for users to read. No print version of the German version is planned.

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2012: possibly the year Chinese eclipses English on the internet (in number of native speakers online)

Thursday, August 11, 2011

I put the extra information in parenthesis in the title in order to avoid it being misunderstood. Matt has informed me that Internetworldlanguages.com has finally updated their stats of languages on the internet, and you can see them here. This is the first update in a year. Some of the numbers have not changed at all, but this is certainly due to countries not having released new numbers in the last year so there is nothing that can be done about that. In the meantime though let's take a look at the numbers with the caveat that unchanged numbers are certainly higher than stated:

2000 -- 2011

English: 537 million -- 565 million (26.8%)
Chinese: 445 million -- 509 million (24.2%)
Spanish: 153 million -- 165 million (7.8%)
Japanese: 99 million -- 99 million (4.7%)
Portuguese: 83 million -- 83 million (3.9%)
German: 75.2 million -- 75.4 million (3.6%)
Arabic: 65.4 million -- 65.4 million (3.3%)
French: 59.8 million -- 59.8 million (3%)
Russian: 59.7 million -- 59.7 million (3%)
Korean: 39.4 million -- 39.4 million (2%)

As Matt also noted, Indonesian + Malay is more than Korean, about 55 million users total. Korean as a language is near saturation if you look at it one way (South Korea), and not if you look at it another way (almost 0% penetration in North Korea).

Chinese is of course the most interesting number. Internet penetration is at 37%, and as a language mostly tied to a single country it is easy to predict how it will change in the future: even achieving around 60% penetration (similar to Malaysia today, about 20% less than Japan and South Korea) would bring the current number to 720 million.

This is also the reason why the number of native (L1) users will certainly eclipse English soon: English is used as a first or primary/important official language in areas that are either mostly saturated (USA, Canada, UK...) or nowhere close to it and with very little progress on that front (Kenya, Zimbabwe, Zambia...); in either case there is little growth expected in the next few years.

An old edit of the Wikipedia page on global internet usage shows us what the numbers were just a few years ago:

English -- 35.2%
Chinese -- 13.7%

Those numbers came using a different method so take them with a grain of salt, but the overall trend is clear. While I am not exactly a cheerleader for the PRC (it's an okay place but having Wikipedia blocked for me when I was there was highly annoying) it will be nice to see a new linguistic dynamic in the near future, and one that can only be good news for international auxiliary languages.

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Italian now tied for #1 in number of Ted.com translations

Monday, May 23, 2011

I haven't written about Ted.com translation numbers for a while, and though most of the rankings are the same we now have a new language tied for #1 with Spanish:



Of course, by the time you get to around 880+ translated talks a ranking becomes meaningless; each of these languages has enough translated talks that you could watch three of them a day and it would still take you a year to get through them. The languages at 800 and above are now:

Arabic
Bulgarian
Chinese
French
Italian
Korean
Portuguese
Spanish

and Romanian is just nine shy of 800. Bulgarian is as always the most impressive here considering its relative size, and Romanian is doing quite well too.

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Deutsche Welle to cease broadcasts in Bulgarian, Romanian, Greek, Croatian, Macedonian, Polish...on the radio

Saturday, May 21, 2011

Gah, this scared me for a moment. I thought for a second that Deutsche Welle was going to get rid of these languages online too, like BBC has done. Deutsche Welle's multilingual services are far superior to other national broadcasters and if they had done the same it would have been a huge shame. It turns out though that they are simply (wisely) cutting costs by choosing to focus on TV, online and mobile products. Whew.

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Looks like there's a Reddit-like site in Romanian too

Thursday, April 14, 2011

Found this yesterday, a site called Proddit that uses the same software that Reddit does but is all in Romanian:


You can see that it's certainly not as active as Reddit (though few sites are), and thus you can contribute to the activity of the site by simply signing up (no email address required) and then upvoting and sometimes downvoting links.

It's easily possible to create a subreddit within Reddit in any language, but what you can't do is have subreddits within that, which limits the appeal. It's not possible to have a /r/Romanian/stiinta subreddit, for example. That's why Reddit itself isn't capable of fully appealing to users in another language unless they are content with having a single subreddit and nothing else.

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A site like Reddit, but in Afrikaans (part 2)

Monday, March 14, 2011

According to a comment on the site today, the previously Reddit-like Blik.co.za has now become more of a blog aggregator than a social media / voting site, but in its place is another site called Veldbrand - Afrikaans for wildfire, or more literally field (veld) fire. Brand is also an English word but it now means the result of a fire/heat than a fire itself.

So...be sure to check up on Veldbrand every once in a while if you want to see what's going on in the Afrikaans part of the internet, or if you want to submit your own link.

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Spanish needs a stronger online presence to be the (West's) second language

Wednesday, March 02, 2011

This page has an interesting interview with Víctor García de la Concha from the RAE on what Spanish needs to grow in strength as a second language. It's a pretty easy interview to follow but here are a few parts translated:

"When I began as the secretary (of the organization), I spoke with Alonso Zamora Vicente, and he said to me:  "the future of Spanish will be in America".

...

"The common (Spanish) lexicon is greater than 90%, only 10% is dialectal variance. The grammar is unified for the first time and so is the orthography."

Q: "The new grammar of 2009 was the first large pan-Hispanic contribution (to the language)?"

"It was the first time that a total grammar of the Spanish language was made. There are no precedents to that. It was monumental, and that's not an exaggeration...For the first time we have a map of Spanish in each of its linguistic areas."

Q: "How is Spanish doing in the world now?"

"It's growing a lot, especially in America; to the US in the north, and in Brazil in the south. Spanish people only represent 10% of Spanish speakers, while 90% are from the Americas. The main challenge is to consolidate it as the second language of the international community in the Occident. For this it needs four things: a large number of speakers, strong unity, a strong digital presence, and more international qualitative recognition."

Q: "...What do you think of European patents not allowing Spanish?"

"It's a pity. Spanish needs to be given more weight. It's true that in Europe it is surpassed in number of speakers by French and German, but it's a very important world language. The recognition it needs is connected to having a larger online presence. But it's also true that it lacks a presence in the field of science and there are few patents in Spanish."

Q: "Are things going badly on the internet (for Spanish)?"

"The increase of Spanish internet users has grown exponentially...but on the other hand the number of pages in Spanish is far behind."

After that it gets into Spanish (Castellano) in Spain in places like Barcelona where Catalán is spoken, and that's another issue. Near the end we also see that the date for the next dictionary will be 2013.

I wrote recently that Spanish is not exactly my favourite Romance language, but as a lover of nearly all languages that's more like saying that Band X is your third or fourth-favourite band instead of first, and one can't help but admire its structure. I also wrote waaay back when (in a post here that took me a full ten minutes to find) that all IAL supporters should support Spanish as perhaps the best language to bring about the realization that English will not end up sealing the deal as the world's second language. I believe that the linguistic deadlock in the early 20th century was what gave the greatest impetus to languages like Esperanto, Ido and Occidental, and only a further strengthening of other languages besides English (Spanish, Chinese and French to a certain extent) will shift the world's attention back to them.

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Buy This Satellite has raised a third of the $150,000 to be used to bid for a satellite providing free internet access

Saturday, February 12, 2011

Here's a project to keep an eye on in the next while - a drive to raise enough money to bid for a satellite owned by a telecommunications company that has gone bankrupt, which if successful would then be used to provide free internet access to an as yet unspecified country. One satellite alone won't provide free internet access to everyone who needs it but they hope it will be the first of many, and the beginning of a movement. The connection would not be phenomenal so ISPs would not be negatively affected; it would simply be to help out people like this.



The video is subtitled in German. Here is the text in case you can't see the video now for whatever reason (at work and YouTube is blocked, using a free service bought for $150,000, etc.).



  • THE INTERNET -- DAS INTERNET
  • has changed what it means to be... -- hat verändert, was es heißt, ...
  • human. -- Mensch zu sein.
  • THE INTERNET -- DAS INTERNET
  • is an incredible tool -- ist ein unglaubliches Werkzeug.
  • Access to information has redefined how we... -- Zugang zu Informationen hat neu definiert, wie wir...
  • Participate in Democracy -- Demokratisch mitbestimmen
  • Receive Healthcare -- Gesundheitsversorgung erhalten
  • Manage and predict disasters -- Katastrophen bewältigen und vorhersagen
  • Communicate with one another -- Miteinander kommunizieren
  • The Internet has redefined what it means to learn. -- Das Internet hat "lernen" neu definiert.
  • Google answers 88 million search queries per month. -- Google beantwortet 88 Millionen Suchanfragen im Monat.
  • 100 Million Man hours have been devoted to the creation of Wikipedia. -- 100 Millionen Personenstunden wurden zur Erstellung der Wikipedia verwendet.
  • 81% of American students will be learning online by the year 2014. -- 81% der amerikanischen Studenten werden im Jahr 2014 online lernen.
  • The Internet puts information at our fingertips. -- Dank des Internets sind Informationen immer zur Hand.
  • FORTUNATELY -- GLÜCKLICHERWEISE
  • If you're watching this video you know how important the Internet is to your everyday life. -- Wenn du dir dieses Video ansiehst, weißt du, wie wichtig das Internet in deinem Altag ist.
  • You're one of the lucky few with Internet access. -- Du bist einer der Glücklichen mit einem Internetzugang.
  • UNFORTUNATELY -- UNGLÜCKLICHERWEISE
  • 5 BILLION PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE INTERNET ACCESS -- HABEN 5 MILLIARDEN MENSCHEN KEINEN INTERNETZUGANG
  • But we have an idea... -- Aber wir haben eine Idee...
  • The company that owns the most capable communications satellite put into space just filed for bankruptcy. -- Das Unternehmen mit dem leistungsfähigsten Kommunikationssatelliten im All hat gerade Konkurs angemeldet.
  • We'd like to make them an offer they can't refuse... -- Wir möchten ihnen ein Angebot machen, das sie nicht ablehnen können...
  • To purchase their satellite, -- Ihren Satelliten zu kaufen,
  • And move it to where it could serve millions. -- Und ihn dahin zu verlagern, wo er Millionen Menschen dienen könnte.
  • We want to do this because the Internet is a tool that helps people to help themselves. -- Wir wollen das tun, weil das Internet eine Hilfe zur Selbsthilfe ist.
  • We believe that equal, universal, uninhibited Internet access is... -- Wir glauben, dass allgemeiner, uneingeschränkter Internetzugang...
  • A HUMAN RIGHT -- EIN MENSCHENRECHT IST
  • Join us in continuing to improve what it means to be... -- Hilf uns, weiterhin zu verbessern, was es heißt, ...
  • Mensch zu sein. -- human.

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Playing around with Naver's French - Korean dictionary

Thursday, January 20, 2011

Naver (Korea's Google) has recently added French to its list of online dictionaries. I'm not certain when this was added, but it still has that new mark next to it so it was done fairly recently:


That's French there on the right. This makes French the first language to be added after the languages most crucial to Korea (and the ones you usually see sites translated into) - English, Japanese, Chinese. The dictionary is here but I also made a quick video as I played around with it. I might have recorded the volume a bit loud so turn down your speakers just in case.



As you can see, the dictionary is of outstanding quality as are the others Naver offers. Naver seems to be a bit perfectionist with its dictionaries and that's also why it takes so long to add new languages. Since Koreans use Naver almost 100% of the time this will probably guarantee this dictionary's place as the main resource for Koreans learning French online.

Especially nice is the ability to type accented characters right away. Whenever you type a character that can take an accent or special mark (e, i, c, o, etc.) all the possible characters are shown just above. Typing o will show ô and œ above, e shows é/è/ë/ê, and so on.

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Rep. Anthony Weiner on the costs of repealing President Obama's health care bill

Saturday, January 08, 2011

Yesterday Rep. Anthony Weiner proposed an amendment to the repealing of last year's health care bill that would require the extra costs incurred to be paid for, with a short 5-minute speech that was soon uploaded to YouTube. Since I think the points he made there deserve to be seen before a wider audience, I reuploaded the video and added subtitles, in order to make it easier to understand for: 1) the deaf; 2) those that have learned English as a second language; 3) non-English speakers that would benefit from a more accurate automatic translation.

I may redo the timing of the captions in order to give them a smoother flow, but not just this moment as I have to go out the door. At the moment each chunk is a bit too large and the automatic division of text it has done to compensate it sometimes means it will skip ahead to the next part before you have had the chance to hear the corresponding audio. In the meantime the entire transcript is below as well so just keep that in your view if you don't enjoy the sometimes sudden transitions.




Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Many of my colleagues are offering amendments dealing with the substance of the health care act we passed, and the problems it would cause if it was repealed. But I want to try to address an amendment that I and Mr. Van Hollen are going to be offering that addresses, I think, the crux of the agenda of the new Congress. And that is the idea that we need to reduce deficits and reduce costs. Not only for the federal taxpayers, but also for state and local taxpayers, and of course for citizens and families in their homes.

Our amendment is a simple one. It simply says that the costs that will be incurred have to be paid for in the bill. This is a classic pay-as-you-go, or cut-as-you-go, whatever (term) you are using this year. It says that if you want to take an action, whether it's to pass a law, whether it's to change a law, amend a law, that it should be fully paid for. It's something that I have heard repeatedly articulated by my Republican colleagues, and frankly those of us on the Democratic side have already articulated in the form of the pay-as-you-go rules that were set up.

Now, I do need to ask for unanimous consent that my amendment be amended, because this morning the number went from $143 billion dollars that this bill would cost. It went up to $230 billion dollars according to the CBO (Congressional Budget Office) estimates. And just for my newer colleagues, and frankly all of us should be reminded, why repealing this law costs money. First, it costs money to the taxpayer because the uninsured and those that are underinsured wind up getting health care; this is not a bill that provides them with health care, it's simply a bill that says how we're going to pay for health care and what the standards shall be. So when people are uninsured, and they go into hospital emergency rooms and get care, it costs all of us a lot more money to pay for those costs. Because, frankly, ladies and gentlemen, the "bill fairy" doesn't come in and pay for those costs, we all wind up doing it.

So the basic structure of this law says "You know what? It's actually less expensive for us to provide a subsidy for the uninsured to buy insurance, than it is for us to keep paying for them in hospital emergency rooms." So when you repeal this act, what do you do? You basically say that those protections will no longer be there, we're going to revert to paying for people when they come to the hospital emergency rooms; that costs the taxpayers money. This (President Obama's health care bill) saves money for families in a different way. When there are more people who are insured, just like in automobile insurance where everyone is insured, it allows insurance companies using free market principles to aggregate their costs over a greater universe of people, all of our costs come down. That's not me saying it, that's the insurance industry saying it, and that is the CBO saying it. So you've got to make up that cost somewhere.

And then there's the cost to our states and localities -- and this is the important thing that I think my colleagues need to understand -- you can say all you want, that "we're going to slash this bill and leave it to the states", but what winds up happening is if someone gets hit by a bus, who is uninsured, in a small town or in a big city in the United States, and they wind up going to hospital emergency rooms to get paid for, very often those costs fall largely on state and local taxpayers. So this insurance -- the structure of our bill would protect those state and local insurance costs, so now a city like mine, eight billion dollars we pay for the uninsured and the underinsured. This bill kicks in, (and) that dramatically goes down. It's not me saying it, it's the Congressional Budget Office.

So what this -- what the amendment says, is a simple one. It says "you may agree with some of my colleagues here about the individual things. You may believe that they're good or that they're bad. But however you believe, you should back up your vote with an actual "pay for it". To say "this is how we're going to pay for the bill."" And let me say one...concluding thing. You know...I'm asking unanimous consent that on line 9, "143 billion" be struck and "230 billion" be inserted. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. According to the CBO, we will save
one half of one percent (0.5%) of GDP, almost in perpetuity, because of the new effect of this bill. That is 1.2 trillion dollars. 1.2 trillion dollars of savings that are arriving from this bill.

And I'll make one final point -- I neglected to offer congratulations to you, Mr. Dreier, congratulations on taking over this committee again. I have heard a lot of talk about the "government takeover of health care". Let me make it very clear, because this is said so often I
think we sometimes forget what this bill does. This bill takes government taxpayer money and gives it to a private entity, the insurance companies. It's taking our money and giving subsidies so that they can buy insurance. It's the opposite of a government takeover.

And by the way, just the same way, Medicare isn't a government takeover because you still have your individual doctors and your payments, it's only a matter of how that money gets processed. So I believe that if you are sincere about cutting costs you will have to vote -- allow this amendment to be in order, and you would have to vote in favor of it, and by the way, I think it's the reasonable, consistent thing to do. 233 billion dollars is what it's going to cost
you to repeal this over ten years. That, by the way, is 200 billion dollars more than you've commited to saving in this entire congress.

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The quickest way to learn a language for a Reddit / online forum addict

Friday, January 07, 2011

This is a tip alluded to here a few times before, but considering how effective it is for the right audience (an active Reddit / forum user with an interest in a language that is relatively easy for an English speaker to learn), here it is in laid out in greater detail. Norwegian will be the language used as an example here, but feel free to replace it with any other language you intend to learn, as long as it is also in the same class in terms of difficulty for an English speaker.

Let's say you spend a lot of time on a forum somewhere or on Reddit, reading discussions about politics and religion and who knows what else. Let's also say that you're kind of interested in learning a language spoken in Western or Northern Europe, a relatively easy one for English speakers to learn such as Norwegian, Dutch, French, Danish, and most other Category I languages. Being relatively easy, learning the basics of these languages doesn't take that much time. On the other hand, since any language will still require years to reach fluency (only months for a good working knowledge though), what is needed is a lot of exposure. Here's how you can take the time you use lurking on and participating in these discussions and put it to use in learning a new language.

Step 1: learn the basics of the language you want to know. Although grammar is similar and English cognates are easy to find, some parts of Norwegian will still be incomprehensible if you have not learned the basics. Knowing that the plural is -er or -r in most cases, that the definite article is put on the end (hus = house, huset = the house), that Norwegian has two or three grammatical genders, that you can form the passive just by putting an -s after a verb (Jeg gir en bok til deg = I give a book to you; Prins av Wales er en tittel som gis til den eldste sønn av = Prince of Wales is a title that is given to the eldest son of...) and so on will be essential in understanding the language, and spending a few days really working through the grammar will be well worth it. In theory one could just pick all this up through context, but it is far more effective to have the basic grammatical rules laid out for you.

Do not feel the need to learn every single aspect to the grammar of the language, just the essentials. You can always go back later on when you need to clarify something. In fact, you can easily begin working on Step 2 and Step 3 as long as you give this step some attention as well.

Once you have done this though you can go on to the next step:

Step 2: get an add-on or extension that will allow you to translate instantly without leaving the page. On Firefox you may want to go with GTranslate, on Google Chrome there is Translate This, and there are tons of others out there to choose from. Most important is to have an add-on that does not require you to leave the page though, as you will be using it all the time. Selecting and quickly translating text will look like this.




Step 3: find a site that has roughly the same content you can't stop reading on other sites. Politics, religion, economy, history, whatever you find yourself spending hours and hours reading and discussing will be just as interesting in another language. For Norwegian one site with a lot of this is www.diskusjon.no, but most news sites will have a comment section below published articles and these are often just as filled to the brim with comments as in English.

And now all you have to do is find a long thread or two or three or four to follow and lurk on. Let's see what we can find on Diskusjon.no. Here is their politics and society forum, here is their religion, philosophy and ethics forum. In spite of being spoken only by some 5 million people, it is easy to find threads that reach dozens and dozens of pages in length. Here's a thread on Ahmadinejad and his remarks on the Holocaust (14 pages so far), here's one entitled "why are scientists not spiritual?" (35 pages), here's one on long-distance relationships (21 pages), and here's one on a reality show called Paradise Hotel (just as shallow and pandering as any other reality TV in North America) that is 206 pages so far.

Great, so let's follow a thread on religion and see how it works. This thread on Sharia in Norway should be a good one to read. Let's see what is being said there.


Kom over = came across. Norwegians like to drop pronouns in the same way English speakers do ("found a nice place to eat today..."). Next up a user who reads the site and comments:


Good, "er en direkte motsettning til" = "is a direct contradiction to".

Next up is a quick comment:


This is where learning the basic grammer beforehand comes in handy. Though the translation given by Google is good enough, knowing the basics will mean that you will recognize "det er" here as "it is" and not "there are". I.e. "It (the site) is no unserious that it is not worth burning a single calorie to discuss it."

Okay, let's switch threads to a more positive one. Let's go over to society and take a look at this thread, on "what is good about Norwegian society?".


Once again basic grammar will help out a bit here: "What I like about the Norwegian society" as translated by Google is "Ting jeg liker ved det norske samfunnet", or literally "Things (lit. thing, but it is not pluralized in Norwegian) I like about the Norwegian society".

Next comment is very easy:


Followed by a less positive comment:


(The lottery is probably referring to Norway's oil wealth)

And that's about all there is to it. After following enough of these discussions you will eventually come to use the translator less and less, and will almost certainly begin to feel the urge to participate in one yourself. The urge to correct someone who is wrong on the internet is no less strong in another language.

And while you're at it, you may find something that piques your interest one day in the job and education forum, and any friends you have made online may be willing to help you out in the application process as well.

The only thing this tip will not help out with is listening comprehension, since it is about how to make best use of the time you would otherwise spend reading pretty much the same thing in English. To improve your listening comprehension you'll need to watch loads of TV and listen to a ton of radio, and of course talk with people. Finding the opportunity to do so will only become easier if you have already made a lot of friends online that you have never needed to use English with, and beginning to watch Norwegian TV online will certainly happen as a result of reading the endless threads on one show or another, whether serious shows like Luksusfellen (a show about people learning how to get out of debt) or others not quite so serious like the previously mentioned Paradise Hotel and many more. It's quite an interesting experience to watch a show like that in another language - those that watch too many of them in their native tongue will begin to feel like they're wasting their time, but for you as a student of the language even the most dumbed-down reality show will be an educational experience.

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OECD: students that spend more time online have greater reading skills

Tuesday, January 04, 2011

This article is receiving some attention on Meneame today. It seems that students of 15 years of age that spend a lot of time online have greater reading skills than those that don't. I don't have the time to delve into the report myself (you can find it here) but it seems to group nearly all online activity together: reading email with reading news, chatting with participating in group discussions. If so then that would be a pity, as it would be more interesting to compare the reading ability of students (or anybody else) that spend most of their time participating in online discussions and forums compared to those that prefer to chat one on one. I would assume that the former would have a greater reading ability due to the greater number of participants (you never know who is going to respond to what you write in an open forum) and the stronger emphasis on winning people over to your opinion, which often requires more sourcing and the ability to write effectively. There is also the odd grammar nazi that comes along to inform you that it's anyway, not anyways, and how to properly use a semicolon. Doing that while chatting one on one, however, is a quick way to lose a friend.

Some of the article:

Some experts have warned about the dangers of the internet age, how quick and easy access to information in small doses will harm reading ability. The American writer Nicholas G. Carr is one of these. 
It is natural that new technologies change use and custom, but recent information from the PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) from the OECD seems to indicate that this is not a danger to reading skills. 
On the contrary, "students familiar with things like reading email, chat, reading online news, dictionaries and internet encyclopedias, participation in group discussions online and reading information on the internet have in general a greater reading ability", says the report which analyzed students of 15 years of age from 65 countries. 
On the other hand, it does note that the percentage of students that read for pleasure has decreased. In 2000 PISA showed that 69% of students said they read a little a day for pleasure; last year this dropped to 64%. In Spain this went from 68% to 60% over the same time period.

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Translating a site into 10 languages allows one to reach 80% of the internet

Sunday, November 21, 2010

Here's an article in French on how many languages it takes to reach a majority of the internet: with 10 languages one can reach over 80%, but to reach 99% you would need to have a site translated into 37. With just English, Chinese and Spanish one can reach 50%. The ten languages needed to do so are:

English, Chinese, Spanish, Japanese, German, French, Portuguese, Russian, Arabic, Korean.

That's actually no different from the top ten languages shown here.

Not taken into account in the study is mutual intelligibility, where Portuguese speakers would be able to navigate a site in Spanish but not necessarily participate on it. Dutch and Afrikaans speakers often find themselves in a similar situation too when reading articles in German.

Also keep in mind that this has very little to do with the population of languages offline: Bengali has only about one or two million speakers online, but over 200 million in real life, and is probably the most extreme example of a language with a great deal of representation in the real world but hardly anything online. Icelandic would be the exact opposite, with just 300,000 speakers in real life, almost 100% of which have access to the internet. That gives Icelandic a presence about a tenth to a third that of Bengali in spite of having a population some 600 times smaller, and on top of that Icelandic is much easier to type and display.

Finally, note that broadcasters such as Deutsche Welle do not choose the languages they broadcast in by population. Deutsche Welle has nothing in Italian, but a lot in Bulgarian and Macedonian. There is also no Dutch and no Scandinavian languages. International broadcasters tend to focus on two areas: 1) the largest languages (Spanish, Portuguese, Chinese, etc.) plus 2) strategically important languages - Bulgarian, Persian, Albanian, Croatian, etc. Basically languages of places either where the EU is militarily involved or prospective EU countries. It's a pity that none of these broadcasters have anything in Armenian though. Turkey's TRT has Armenian, but that's a no-brainer considering their historical relationship and the large number of Armenians in Turkey today as well.

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Google Translate is now a bit easier to use, menu-wise

Tuesday, August 31, 2010

About a week ago I filled out a survey that Google Translate users were asked to help out with, and when asked which point I found to be most inconvenient I responded the large menu when selecting the source and target language. It used to look like this:

Afrikaans
language
language
language
Bulgarian
language
language
language
Greek...
language
language
Maltese...
language
language
language
more languages.....keep scrolling...
Yiddish!


Except that the menu was 51 spaces long.

Just now it looks like they have changed the menu, and now it looks like this:

Much better. The menu is a quick pop up that disappears when you select a language. Also note the recently used language pairs. I could use an extra line, but that's okay.

Not that Google Translate was ever all that difficult to navigate beforehand, mind you. I bet that most users cited the time scrolling up and down through the menu though as the largest time waster.

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