Lidepla in the news

One more post on Lidepla (Lingwa de Planeta): here is an article in Russian mentioning it along with Esperanto that Dmitry informed Auxlang of today. I'd like to transcribe it for Google Translate but I'm used to typing in Bulgarian (which would work aside from a few letters), plus there is the first Obama - Romney debate in a bit. Maybe somebody else will type it out.

From Dmitry's post:

It tells about Esperanto and Lidepla, about 50-50 of space. It gives some general info about both, and also some examples of Lidepla phrases. However, seemingly it was abridged by editor, because it doesn't just feel finished.

Edit: looks like it's too long to provide a single Google Translate link, but Rospil has very helpfully provided the transcript that non-Russian speakers can paste into Google Translate to get the gist.

Язык будущего

На каком языке могут говорить все люди в мире?
Владимир Тихоренко, 5-й класс

Отвечает филолог Мария Блажнова:

— Придумать нейтральный международный язык хотели давно. Еще в 1887 году варшавский окулист Людвиг 3аменгоф в результате 10-летней работы создает язык, названный по псевдониму автора — Эсперанто («Надеющийся»). На данный момент эсперанто — самый распространенный из искусственных языков. Сейчас в мире насчитывается по разным оценкам от ста тысяч до нескольких миллионов человек, говорящих на эсперанто. Но он не занял место единого языка, доступного и понятного большинству людей. И попытки создания новых плановых языков продолжают предприниматься и сегодня. Например, в Петербурге группой энтузиастов разработан новый международный язык Лингва де Планета. Это язык на основе 10 самых распространенных языков мира, включающий слова и грамматические элементы не только из западноевропейских языков, но и из китайского, хинди, русского, арабского. Сокращенное название языка — лидепла. На лидепла общаются в Интернете, переводят книги и фильмы и даже поют песни. Для наглядности приведу несколько примеров фраз: Salam, komo yu sta? — Привет, как дела? Me sta hao, shukran. — Я в порядке, спасибо. Mata snova pi chay. — Мать снова пьет чай. Me lubi yu. — Я тебя люблю. Нао nocha! Доброй ночи!

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Skandal in Bohemia (Lidepla)

I like to announce when a notable work has been translated into an IAL, and today an announcement was made that Skandal in Bohemia (I'll leave it to the reader to cleverly deduce the original English title) has been translated.into Lidepla (Lingwa de Planeta).

Next to it one can see the original English, plus Russian and Spanish for reference.

Right away you can see that the translation is not a very literal one, probably a good choice for a language like Lidepla:

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"Then, how do you know?" -- "Yedoh, komo yu jan?"

"I see it, I deduce it. -- "Me vidi se, me dedukti se.

How do I know -- Pa exampla, komo me jan,

that you have been getting yourself very wet lately, -- ke nodavem yu bin gro-mokre

and that you have a most clumsy and careless servant girl?" -- e ke yur servi-gela es gro-nokushale e sinkuyda-ney ?"

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Lidepla (Lingwa de planeta) news - Memrise course, plus a fox and tiger

Dmitri has sent me two links he thought would be appropriate here, and indeed they are:

-- Lidepla vocabulary can now be learned here on Memrise, the site for learning vocabulary through a fairly addictive method involving gaining points and treating memories as plants that are grown with enough exposure and later watered to keep alive.

-- A video with a tale about a tiger and a fox:



I can understand about 90% of this without ever really having expended any time learning the language. The missing parts of the vocabulary (the words I've never seen before) are usually from Hindi.

You'll notice that Lidepla has a certain atmosphere of its own as does every other IAL: it's a bit similar to LFN in that it seems kind of free, egalitarian and apolitical, an atmosphere that lends itself to more active communal use than a more top-down approach like Interlingua where massive dictionaries and documenting all the expressions known to mankind (or at least Europe) are the norm.

This gives rise to a lot of this kind of content composed of videos with tales and songs and so on, but what I would really like to hear one day is this: a quickly spoken news podcast, and a current affairs interview between two or more people would be even better. Lidepla, whether intentional or not, seems to give the impression that it is always being toned down for the listener and it would be nice to hear what it would sound like with no holds barred.

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New Facebook group for Idists: Idisti

A new Facebook group was created yesterday here, and thanks to the way Facebook groups work now it already has a great deal of conversation. The difference between groups now and before is that now a person who creates a group can add members without consulting them. This means that one day you will end up seeing notifications in your email about activity in a group you have never seen before, and this was the case with this one. Notifications can also be turned off, but I prefer to see everything that goes on in the groups I have been subscribed to and prefer more emails to fewer.

Two other new groups that have a good amount of activity: this one for Lingua Franca Nova, and this one for Lingwa de Planeta.

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Testing the readability of Lingwa de Planeta

A few days ago Dmitry of Lingwa de Planeta sent me some news in LdP, a language I haven't really studied but one that I mention from time to time, and hope for the best for. The news is as follows:

(Moskva) Investiga de avion-krusha in Yaroslavl es finen

Dey 2 mes 11 yar 2011 Interstata-ney Avion-ney Komitee (IAK) deklari ke pilotas hi es kulpa-ney om ti eventi pa dey 7 mes 9 na avion-krusha in kel 44 jen tabahi. Avion Yak-42 krushi tuy afte en-flaisa, kili-yen tote fama-ney hokey-tim Lokomotiv. Sol un jen, avion-ney injenior, ausjivi. Segun IAK, un oda ambi pilota ouran presi brek-pedal duran en-flaisa. Por to avion bu mog ateni treba-ney kwaytaa, flai sol kelke stoka metra e poy lwo on arda. Ti presi brek-pedal na kausa mog bi to ke ambi pilota maistem gwo flai un otre tip de avion, nami-yen Yak-40. In Yak-42, kom in hampi oli nau-ney avion de munda, pilota ruli avion bay presi niche parta de pedal e breki bay presi it-ney uupare parta, bat in Yak-40 es otrem. Regulatot demandi ke pilota de Yak-42 pon topuk on poda de kabina, bat Solomentsev e Jevelov bin abyasen a Yak-40 e lasi swa-ney peda resti on pedal. Yoshi un li-ney galta es ke li bu desidi stopi avion pa hao taim, obwol ye-te indika, ke prosesa de en-flaisa bu go normalem.

So...how readable is this to me, with fluency in Japanese and Korean, and background in all of LdP's source languages except for Hindi? Here's my translation just from what I can discern from the text alone:

(Moscow) Investigation of airplane crash in Yaroslavl is finished

On November 2 2011 the Interstate Aviation Committee declared that the pilots (would be?) at fault for the event on September 7 in the airplane crash in which 44 people (died, I assume). The plane Yak-42 crashed right after (liftoff?), killing the whole famous hockey team Lokomotiv. Only one person, an airplane engineer, survived. According to IAK, another two pilots (ouran - ?) pressed the brake pedal during the (assuming liftoff again). Because of that the plane wasn't able to reach the needed speed, flew (ah, now I see that flai in en-flaisa is English) just a few hundred (assuming this is Slavic for hundred) metres and then hit the earth. Pressing the brake pedal cause (?) could be that both pilots (usually?) would fly another type of airplane, namely the Yak-40. In the Yak-42, as in (most?) all new airplanes in the world, the pilot controls the plane by pressing no parts of the pedal and brakes by pressing it on (the top?) part, but in the Yak-40 it is different. Regulations demand that pilots of the Yak-42 (pon topuk on poda? not sure...) in the cabin, but Solementsev and Jevelov being (unused?) to the Yak-40 and let (therefore) feet rest on the pedal. (Yoshi un li-ney galta? no idea) is that they didn't decide to stop in good time, although it indicated that the process of lifting off wasn't going normally.

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What Lingwa de Planeta sounds like spoken

On the 1st of June the Basic Edition of Lingwa de Planeta was published, which (though I admittedly don't follow LdP developments very closely) I believe means along with an official inauguration that the grammar is going to be frozen for the next few years, and only new vocabulary added. A few days ago a number of us from Auxlang contributed our voices to show what LdP sounds like spoken by people around the world, and my voice sample begins at 5:45 in. Most of the samples there are greetings, but there is some poetry and story samples whereas I took the opportunity to get on my soapbox and tell everybody why we need to forget about Mars for the time being and concentrate on the Moon, as I wrote in detail in a post here.

Plus I get a free Russian translation of some of those reasons, namely:

Совершенно невозможно исследовать Марс раньше, чём Луну. Луна от нас всего в трех днях пути. Мы можем отправиться туда, когда захотим. Марс от нас на расстоянии шести месяцев пути. Шанс отправиться туда имеется лишь один раз в 2,5 года. Да, на Марсе есть вода. Но теперь мы знаем, что и на Луне есть вода, в грунте. Мы действительно Были на Луне, но это было очень давно. Никто из тех, кому меньше 45 лет, не может ясно вспомнить разведку Луны. Сейчас мы подходим к такому положению, что нам могут оказывать помощь другие страны, например Китай, Япония и Россия, и даже частные фирмы. Но с Марсом они нам помочь не в состоянии. Единственное место, которое мы сможем по-настоящему исследовать в Ближайшие 20 лет - это Луна.

By the way, my name there should be Dave MacLeod, not McLeod. No big deal though; MacLeod is a tricky surname.

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