Sambahsa - Spanish, Latin through Italian, Extr@ transcripts

Olivier announced today that a Spanish - Sambahsa dictionary has been released, that you can see here on Scribd with a Goldendict version here.

Latin through Italian: a YouTube account here has a ton of videos in Italian on history, linguistics and so on, and the ones on Latin are a total of 40 videos of 40 minutes in length each...no small feat just to listen to all of them once. Episode 19 for example is 40 minutes of explanation on the genitive and the dative. Enjoy.



The last thing to mention today is regarding that show from the early 2000s called Extr@ which was made in three languages (plus English) for learners of these languages: German, French, and Spanish. These episodes are all available online but some don't have subtitles. No problem: it turns out that the entire transcript is available on the Channel Four official site.

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Further testing the Sambahsa - English dictionary on GoldenDict

I mentioned in yesterday's post that the newly-created dictionary for Sambahsa on GoldenDict (a kind of dictionary software) is best for reading content that has already been created, and with a bit of time today I tested this out. Using Le Petit Prince / The Little Prince in Sambahsa, I have looked up every word in the dedication while pretending to be an English speaker that does not know much or anything about other languages (least of all Sambahsa) to see how easy it is to go through a story like this with dictionary in hand.

The quick conclusion: quite good, and will be much better with further tweaking. Verb conjugation is the biggest problem here (ho appears a lot but does not have its own entry), plus some rough edges here and there such as entries like quan(do) which technically do not bring up a search result for either quan or quando.

Also, reading Sambahsa in this way is way, way more enjoyable than otherwise (a .txt file on a large page in Firefox using ctrl-f to search). Words like im and ei I really do not enjoy learning in grammatical tables as I much prefer to see words in context, and seeing them in practice is much nicer.

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Here it is word by word:

Ad Léon Werth

ad = at

Beudo pardon im magven ob dedievs tod buk uni balirh. 
buedo = ?
pardon = pardon
im = to them
magv = child
ob = because of
dedievs = ? may recognize dedie (dedicate)
tod = this
buk = book
uni = to a(n)
balirh = adult

Ho un serieus excuse : 
ho = ?
un = an
serieus = serious
excuse = excuse

so balirh est is sellst prient ho tienxia. 
so = that
balirh = adult
est = is
is = the
sellst = ? but may recognize sell (good)
prient = friend
ho = ?
tienxia = everywhere

(Question for Olivier: Sambahsa doesn't need od here? is sellst prient od ho tienxia...)

Ho alyum excuse : 
ho = ?
alyum = ?
excuse = excuse

so balirh ghehdt prete quant, hatta buks promagvens. 
so = that
balirh = adult
ghehdt = ghehdt doesn't exist but ghehd (can, is able) is obvious enough.
prete = understand
quant = all
hatta = even
buks = books
pro = for
magv = child, as above.

Ho un trit excuse : 
ho = ?
un = a
trit = ?
excuse = excuse

so balirh weict in France quer is paytt ob hungher ed srigos. 
so = that
balirh = adult
weict = ? the nearest entry is Weicmen, meaning "inhabited Earth, ecumene".
in = in
France = France
quer = where
is = he
paytt = suffer
ob = because of
hungher = hunger
ed = and
srigos = not in dictionary, but srig = cold. Reader may wonder if Léon Werth is frequently ill.

Is want husur. 
is = he
want = ? reader will probably assume 'want'.
husur = comfort

Sei quant ta excuses ne sont kafi, 
sei = if
quant = all
ta = these, those
excuses = excuses
ne = not
sont = are
kafi = enough

io accepte dedie tod buk ei magvi qui so balirh buit prevst. 
io = I
accepte = accept
dedie = as above
tod = this
buk = book
ei = to him
magvi = dictionary has magv, child
qui = ":masculine singular nominative singular pronoun ; undetermined plural nominative ; accusative interrogative ; relative pronoun" -- probably confusing to the reader.
so = that
balirh = adult
buit = he was
prevst = once, before

Vasyi balirhs buir magvi prever (bet pauks ex i mehme to). 
vasyi = not in dictionary, but vasyo (all) is there
balirhs = adults
buir = they were
magvi = as above
prever = former
bet = but
pauks = not in dictionary. pau (few) exists.
ex = out of
i = them
mehme = not in dictionary, but mehmen = remembrance.
to = that

Corrego ghi mien dedication : 
corrego = not in dictionary, but correg for correct (vt) is there.
ghi = "has no definite meaning, it often appears in second position in a clause and serves to emphasize the"
mien = my
dedication = dedication

Ad Léon Werth quan is eet un lytil pwarn
ad = to
quan = quan(do) has 'when'.
is = he
eet = he was
un = a
lytil = little
pwarn = boy

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GoldenDict dictionary files now available for Sambahsa

Robert Winter informed me this morning that Sambahsa can now be added to GoldenDict, a piece of dictionary software that is very convenient. It is convenient for one reason, but first I will show a screenshot:

What makes it so convenient is the instantaneous lookup. With this one can look up the meaning of any Sambahsa word in English without any delay, requiring no internet connection or accessing any site. That makes it perfect for understanding translations. Were the opposite to be available (English to Sambahsa), it would make creating translations and chatting in real time that much easier.

I have actually never used GoldenDict before today but the simplicity and speed is very nice.

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Link roundup for 7 April 2012

Here's some of what wass interesting this week:

--- The astronomy picture of the day for yesterday is fantastic: Venus wandering through the Pleiades. Right now Venus is about as high up in the evening sky as it gets, and in the next few months it will suddenly lower until it finally transits the face of the sun in June. After that there are no more transits of this nature until 2117. Well, from Earth at least. To see them before 2117 we'll have to be looking at Venus from another point in space.

--- Kepler has been renewed until 2016, which is one of the best pieces of news this year. Since Kepler does not confirm extrasolar planet candidates until it has seen three passes, the minimum amount of time it takes to find a planet is equal to the planet's orbit multiplied by two, and the maximum three. Example: let's say a planet orbits its star every 500 days. If Kepler began its mission one hour before the planet passed in front of its star we would see three transits after 1000 days: one on the first hour of day 1 of the mission, the second 500 days later, and the third 500 days after that. If it began the mission one hour after the planet had passed in front of its star then it would take almost 500 days for the first transit, then 500 more for the second, and another 500 for the third.

--- An article on Fanagalo, the only pidgin based on Zulu (plus Afrikaans, English and other African languages), and the lingua franca of mines in South Africa. Not surprisingly, it is endangered and in danger of extinction.

--- More on the UK's Skylon spaceplane.

--- Just found out about this recently: a history of the world in 100 objects from BBC. 100 podcasts, each about 15 - 20 minutes in length. That's a total of about 30 hours, and if you are blessed with enough time to hear them all then definitely do so.

--- Europe is considering one of three projects for a major mission in the 2020s. The first is an X-ray telescope specifically designed to study black holes, the second would study gravitational waves, the third would be a dedicated mission to the moons Europa, Ganymede and Callisto. My vote naturally goes to the third: as a general rule, when one cannot fund all the missions one wants to, the ones with the best PR should normally take precedence.

--- Somebody (not me) has started a Sambahsa subreddit. I'm the 14th subscriber.

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L'Etranger (Is Gospoti) has now been translated into Sambahsa

Today Olivier Simon has finished the translation of L'Étranger by Albert Camus into Sambahsa. L'Étranger is probably one of the best novels to read for a French student given its short sentences and extensive use of the passé composé, and this makes the Sambahsa translation just as useful for learning the language:

Ho emt id autobus ye dwo saat. Id weter eet chald. Ho mejen in Célestesrestaurant, kam adet. Quanti spruv maung aytan dia me ed Céleste mi hat sayct :“Hams tik ein mater.” Quando ho abgwahn, me hant hamrahn tiel id dwer. Eemlyt sturdiht ob ho tohrben stighes do Emmanuels hem kay laune ud iom unswordo cravat ed un brachar. Is hat lusen sien oncle, oik munts pre.

The complete translation is here:

Is Gospoti (l'Étranger in Sambahsa)


By the way, I am also on the verge (maybe three weeks away) of finishing a translation I have been working on for about five months. The translation itself is completed, but now there is some proofreading and formatting to do. This translation is not into an IAL, however. I'll write more on it when everything is completed.

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Nice work, Esperanto Wikipedia

The Esperanto Wikipedia gets an honorable mention today for two things. One is this:

This time around the article count is the result of all human work and no automatic bots.

The article of the week is also exceptional: it's about one of my favourite subjects, the Nagarno-Karabakh Republic (Լեռնային Ղարաբաղի Հանրապետություն). That's the tiny de facto but not de jure country right next to Armenia and officially inside Azerbaijan that was created after the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and the stumbling block in quite a few diplomatic relationships.

And while we're on the subject, Olivier also mentioned on Auxlang a few days ago that the Esperanto magazine La Riverego has an article on Sambahsa in its latest issue:

http://www.esperanto.qc.ca/files/riverego/Riverego-104.pdf

This is fairly significant considering the age of the magazine. Looking at its list of back issues one can see that the first time it was published was in 1986, well before the internet was ever popular.

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Space, space, space, Sambahsa

Actually I'll start with Sambahsa. Olivier would like us to know that he has translated Le Petit Prince from French into Sambahsa, and you can see it on Scribd here. It begins with:

Ad Léon Werth

Beudo pardon im magven ob dedievs tod buk uni balirh. Ho un serieus excuse : so balirh est is sellst prient ho tienxia. Ho alyum excuse : so balirh ghehdt prete quant, hatta buks pro magvens. Ho un trit excuse : so balirh weict in France quer is paytt ob hungher ed srigos. Is want husur. Sei quant ta excuses ne sont kafi, io accepte dedie tod buk ei magvi qui so balirh buit prevst. Vasyi balirhs buir magvi prever (bet pauks ex i mehme to). Corrego ghi mien dedication :

Ad Léon Werth
quan is eet un lytil pwarn.

It's a total of 48 pages. Having the Little Prince translated is a bit of a milestone for an auxlang, one of the first mid-sized texts one expects to see. Ido has a good translation of it, Interlingua an awful one.

And now to space:

I read this today and my heart skipped a beat. I forgot that Juno, the next mission to Jupiter, is slated to launch in just a few days. Launches for big missions like this always make me nervous. Dawn and Kepler have probably been the most nerve-wracking.

Looks like WISE has discovered a Trojan asteroid, one that orbits the Lagrange point leading Earth. This is the first one ever. The reason why they are so hard to spot is easy: they are located in an area where the glare from the sun is always present.

And finally, the first big Dawn press conference is slated for the 1st of August, which is a Monday. I hope they release at least one more image before that. The most recent one is from the 22nd. Dawn is still technically in the approach phase but even with just the framing camera it has obtained some excellent images and they will be showing the first full-frame images during the conference.

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Big debate on Uropi anthem in French

Here's a link to the 30th page of a forum thread on Uropi in French, which has gotten quite heated (you never get to 47 pages without a heated debate).

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New edition of Sambahsa dictionary has a bazillion entries

And by bazillion I mean over 13400, as Olivier has informed the Auxlang mailing list today. See the dictionary here.

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Link roundup for 29 May 2011 - high speed trains in Norway, the morning commute and depression, another movie translated into Sambahsa...

Time to get rid of a few tabs I've had up for a week or so that I haven't found the desire to write a full post about. The first one is:

this article in Norwegian from today on high-speed rail linking Norway, Sweden and Denmark. It seems Norway wants to see a train that goes at 330 kph, but Sweden is not interested in one over 250. The argument behind the faster train is that it would not be possible to get to Copenhagen within 3 hours, and 3 hours is thought to be a magic number - under 3 hours and people will prefer to use the train, over 3 hours and they tend to remain in favour of flying. The train between Oslo and Stockholm might end up going 330 kph within Norway, then slowing down to 250 kph after entering Sweden since the tracks will be incapable of maintaining the higher speed. The Norwegian side seems to be surprised that Sweden is not interested in anything over 250 kph, and maybe a more informed reader can tell us why this is.

Another film has been translated into Sambahsa. It's called Kaydara and is about an hour long, seems to be heavily based on The Matrix, and to see the subtitles in Sambahsa you have to choose Serbian since only previously approved languages can be selected. The movie already has subtitles in Croatian so the Sambahsa subtitles won't keep any Serbs from watching and enjoying the movie. I was supposed to watch it by now but it's longer than I thought (I guessed about 25 minutes) and now my time is limited due to working full time.

Your commute is killing you - an article on the link between long commutes and depression, obesity, etc.

Die Burger - an article on the Afrikaans newspaper and how its success. Its motto is Lees die Burger en praat saam.

A statement by Frank L. Culbertson (commander of the International Space Station for a time) to a Congress subcommittee where he defends the role of the ISS and the research done there.

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Language roundup for 11 April

Just a few links worth sharing today.

A blog post here by someone that has come across a Flapper dictionary. Flappers were girls in the 1920s that listened to jazz and smoked and did all sorts of things, including creating their own slang. Some of it is still known today, while about half or more is more or less unrecognizable. I think Berries is my favourite. A small sample:

Bank’s Closed—No petting allowed; no kisses.
Barneymugging—Lovemaking.
Bee’s Knees—See “Cat’s Pajamas”
Bell Polisher—A young man addicted to lingering in vestibules at 1 a.m.
Bean Picker—One who patches up trouble and picks up spilled beans.
Berry Patch—A man’s particular interest in a girl.
Berries—Great.

One other interesting vestige of flapper culture is Blondie, the comic strip that began with a fairly riveting plot (for a comic strip) - the son of a tycoon falls in love with a flapper but his dad does not approve, and threatens to disinherit him if he insists on marrying her. At the same time the dad intends to marry her off to someone else, telling her at the same time that it would be best for the man she loves since she's clearly not good enough for someone of the Bumstead family and if she wants what's best for him...see the actual strips from back then here.

Modern Indo-European: a post here and here from Dnghu show that they are still active and working hard on the 3rd edition of the grammar. The Assimil-like Indo-European course looks to be interesting as well, though those always end up taking longer than first expected. First up will be the revised grammar, and then we'll see what happens.

There is also a Sambahsa reference document, a quick overview of the grammar of Sambahsa in a single viewing.

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Christmas day randomness

It's Christmas day and there are a number of things worth mentioning so let's just put everything together and see what happens.

First of all, I've written two posts on 90 Years Ago Today since I last mentioned it here, as I don't always make a note of it on Page F30 when I do. The US has elected a new president and the League of Nations is shiny and new. It's Christmas 1920 and 1921 is just around the corner.

Over in Occidental land I've just finished uploading Cosmoglotta to 1930. I've never read old issues of Cosmoglotta before so I'm watching the progression of the language for the first time, and though by 1930 it mostly resembles the Occidental of today and the language went through quite a bit of fine tuning that year, it still has the apostrophe that denotes a very soft y sound here and there.

Cosmoglotta November - December 1930

In Sambahsa land Olivier has finished translating another movie, this one a fan-made Star Wars movie called Revelations. I watched it once back in 2006 or so and don't remember a great deal about the story. I believe this makes four movies that we have subtitles in Sambahsa for: The Hunt for Gollum, Born of Hope, The Man from Earth, and this one.



Dawn is now just 9 million km away from Vesta, or just 6% the distance from the Earth to the Sun (23 times that from the Earth to the Moon). The chief engineer updates at the end of every month and I had hoped he would mention when they expect to take and release their first images of Vesta during the last two but nothing so far. In under a week we should see the next update here, and maybe he'll bring up the subject. Because entering orbit with an ion engine requires a lot more finesse than your typical chemical engine, it will continue to slow down more and more compared to Vesta until it finally achieves the same orbit, when finally a tiny thrust will be enough to enter orbit. This is why it's still going to take seven months to 'arrive' even though it's already at an extremely close distance. Your average interplanetary probe flying by an object would cover this distance in just ten days or so.

More on Martin Gaskell, the astronomer who is suing the University of Kentucky for religious discrimination: for some debate and background on the case see these threads here and here.

Want to compare the altitude of two locations? You can do that here. Click on one location on the map, click on another, then to the right of that select draw profile and you'll end up with something like this.

It's potentially quite useful when looking for a place to live in a city with a varied topography, as lower generally = warmer and less windy. There's a world of difference between a house in the suburbs in the hills and away from downtown compared to a south-facing apartment by the river near downtown, which benefits not only from the lower altitude and less wind but also the heat island effect being near downtown brings. In the end this is only a couple of degrees, but when gardening this makes a huge difference:

A superb example of a unique microclimate is the Calgary Zoo and Botanical Gardens’ site on the flood plain of the Bow River which has become a resource to many Southern Alberta gardeners. The gardens benefit from river moisture and a high water table in well-drained sandy soil. There is a good canopy of mature trees and bushes designed in part to protect much of the area from the extremes of wind, hail, rain and sun; the soil has been cultivated and well mulched for decades by expert gardeners. Extra heat is provided because of the proximity to the downtown core and the nearby major traffic routes. A consequence of all these factors is an array of trees, shrubs, annuals and perennials that thrive in a few communities in Calgary, but can be replicated in some areas of many gardens, especially near downtown Calgary and within the Bow and Elbow flood plains. The Perennial Trial Gardens sites at the zoo, Olds College and at the Muttart Conservatory in Edmonton test and publicize plant varieties that should grow well over much of south-central Alberta. At the zoo, some of the more unusual trees include the Manchurian walnut, and linden, but some “exotics” like the Hick’s yew (Taxus x media ‘Hicksii’) can be susceptible to winter kill.

My favourite new Portuguese band: Madredeus.



I found out about them (and a number of other singers and bands) on Yahoo! Answers of all places.

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Finished an Icelandic - English Anki deck

Two days after my first Anki deck (a collection of flashcards for the Anki spaced repetition memorization program) I've finished an Icelandic deck as well, as doing a search online for shared decks there was nothing at all for Icelandic. That means a search will now turn up this one result:

The Afrikaans deck I uploaded two days ago has been downloaded five times, so not a great deal of interest in Afrikaans it would seem. We'll find out soon enough if Icelandic is more or less popular than Afrikaans.

I wrote in the last post that Icelandic would take a long time to do because I usually need Abctajpu on Firefox to type in it, but it turns out that the international Dvorak keyboard layout I have doesn't just type accented characters using dead keys, but can also do so using the right alt key, and the Icelandic þ and ð are included. I use Google Chrome about 90% of the time already, and this will increase that by a bit more..

The Sambahsa deck is also going well, should be done in a day or two. No accented characters there so it's a breeze.

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Elohîms sayct ad Noe "Ya, id ardh est pleno med gvalt face i..."

Olivier's latest translation in Sambahsa, id Deluge:

Deluge

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Massive Sambahsa - English 11,000 word dictionary now complete

Olivier Simon announced a few days ago that the Sambahsa - English dictionary is now complete, making English the second language after French to have a full dictionary. You can see it here on Scribd.

We've also been discussing the idea of a simple blog with news in Sambahsa, just a few sentences a day which would be enough to provide an incentive for people to check back daily. Olivier created a sample of news here which unfortunately has a very low volume but gives a good idea of what news in Sambahsa might sound like:



A more professional recording of something like this would sound great.


So let's look for some random words to see how complete this dictionary is.

amber - ginter. Also ambel for vine wood amber.
headphones - aurer
miner - ...has mine for mine, so probably the same as English.
feudal - no entry. Very likely the same though since it's feudal in both English and French.
scissors - nojitskand

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First impressions of Bengali / Bangla

I've been paying a bit more attention to Bengali for a few weeks now and have spent the past week going through some of the lessons here, so have gone through it enough in order to be able to write my first impressions on the language. As I wrote before, one of the reasons I became interested in it in the first place is because it's Indo-European but lacks grammatical gender (like Persian and Armenian), is spoken by a large number of people, is derived from Sanskrit, and is relatively close to Korea and Japan where I've lived the longest in Asia. I also like the way it sounds compared to languages like Hindi and Punjabi.

So, first impressions.

Bengali does feel a lot like Persian. You would never mistake it for Persian either in speech or writing, but it does have the same casual kind of feel that a fairly regular grammar and lack of grammatical gender gives you. Bengali does have cases, but they are more like postpositions most of the time.

A Persian speaker will notice a lot of similar vocabulary though, not just in shared loanwords but in core Indo-European vocabulary. Four examples out of a lot more I've noticed:

• বেশি [beshi] is Persian بیش [bish], and means more.
• করা [karaa] is Persian کردن [kardan], and is the verb to do. More importantly than the pronunciation though is the fact that Bengali also uses the verb often in the same way, by sticking it after a noun to turn it into a verb. Japanese and Korean speakers will recognize the same thing here in the verbs する [suru] and 하다 [hada]. The big advantage to languages that do this is that you can take just about any noun and turn it into a verb, and conjugation always remains the same.
• কে [ke] is who, and you can see this everywhere: Persian ki, French qui, etc.
• গরম [garam] is warm, and that one is obvious right away to a Persian speaker.

One thing I intend to check later on when more proficient is whether the vocabulary used at Paarsimaan.com is a lot more similar to Bengali, as that site aims for as linguistically pure (IOW no loanwords) Persian as possible. Their glossary is here.

Verbs: verbs are best explained through Wikipedia's page on Bengali grammar, but what is most important to a student is that they are extremely regular. Regularity is one of the most important factors in what makes a language difficult or not, much more than overall complexity. Turkish for example comes across as very complex in the beginning, but with but a single irregular verb once you've mastered how to conjugate a verb you're now done. Bengali uses some vowel harmony when conjugating verbs, as well as different conjugations for respect or familiarity, which will be foreign to some but easy to master if you know Japanese, Korean or another language that makes that distinction.

Vocabulary overall: Wikipedia has a nice image for this.


The light brown part of the pie graph shows native vocabulary with Sanskrit cognates, the darker brown is reborrowings from Sanskrit, and the rest represents loanwords. Apparently Bengali has fewer loanwords from Arabic than even Hindi. Even I with next to no knowledge of Sanskrit have recognized a few words there like dharma (ধর্ম) for religion, and the fact that the word for language is bhaasaa (ভাষা) is a nice touch, considering that I already knew it thanks to Sambahsa.

Typing in Bengali: I don't know anything about the keyboard yet as I've been cheating by using Google's transliteration engine, and there are a few others out there too for typing without having to set anything up.

Resources: better than I expected. Certainly far more than for a language like Armenian, and you can listen to Bengali on both BBC and Deutsche Welle whenever you want. Librivox doesn't have anything though, and what I'm not having much luck finding is any content containing a script along with a recorded voice. I've been busy with those lessons though so I haven't been looking all that hard yet. One small sample can be seen here.

Script: mostly phonetic but not entirely. Easier to read properly than Persian in the beginning, but certainly not as easy as something like Tajik, Estonian, Spanish, etc. I'm still getting used to how to write consonant clusters contained within a single character (svaasthya, health is a good example - স্বাস্থ্য) but for the most part they are just single letters scrunched together so it isn't too bad, and I tend to learn alphabet as I pick up vocabulary anyway, instead of spending the first while in sheer boredom doing nothing but alphabet, alphabet, and more alphabet.

So overall the first impression so far has been very good, better than expected actually, and I haven't found any huge unpleasant surprises.

One final note: after writing a post on the page that contains two frequency lists, a dictionary and all the lessons (the best page I've encountered online to learn Bengali so far) I noticed that the lessons are actually geared towards a Jehova's Witness who (I assume) will be going throughout Bangladesh or West Bengal to talk to people about religion, which makes for some pretty interesting example sentences. Your standard textbook will have sentences like "What? Can't you give me a discount for the hotel room?" whereas this one has sentences like "And you, does YOUR faith stand up to scrutiny?" or "What do you think happens after you die?" I actually prefer content like that whether I agree with a person's views or not (two examples: I like to read discussions on religion on diskusjon.no and I'm also currently reading through the Qur'an in a number of languages at al-quran.info as you can select a number of languages to see side by side), and it reminds me of a post I recently read here at Ikindalikelanguages.com, which addresses something I've always thought - when learning a language it is often helpful to read or listen to discussions on issues that people are passionate about, even better if you are too. That feeling of "yes, that's exactly right!" or "Argh, this guy is such an idiot (and is wrong on the internet!) is a great motivator. Content that promotes the urge to read (and sometimes respond) is always helpful.

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La kinesma (e lasta) parto dil interviuvo pri Ido en Germania, kun tradukuro anke en Sambahsa

E nun la tradukuro dil interviuvo en la germana pri la Ido-renkontro finigesas! Sen la transskriburo facata da Olivier Simon me ne povis facar to, e la tradukuro aden Sambahsa anke helpus kande me ne exakte komprenis la germana. Komprenende, certe restas multa erori e korektiguri esas bonvenanta.

Por askoltar la interviuvo en mp3 kliktez hike, e yen la altra parti dil tradukuro: unesma, duesma, triesma, quaresma.

Deutsch	Sambahsa	Ido
Herr Groth, ganz kurz zum Schluss, aber Sie haben nicht wirklich die Hoffnung, dass sich Ido oder Esperanto jemals wirklich als Weltsprache durchsetzen wird, oder ? realistisch...	Herr Groth, bragv-ye ka conclusion, men habte yu druve-ye id speh od Ido au Esperanto aiwo real-ye se imponsiet ka tienxia bahsa, autah ? realiste...	Herr Groth, tre kurte al fino, ma certe vu ne vere esperas ke Ido od Esperanto sucesos kam mondo-linguo, ka yes? Honeste...
Eh, also vielleicht nicht evolutionär, Schritt bei Schritt, aber kleine Schritte natürlich immer was nach vorne sind, aber manchmal passiert eine Veränderung auch ganz plötzlich;	Eh, maghses ne evolutionar-ye, stieup pos stieup, bet lytil stieups leitent semper lyt perodh, bet yando ubgwehmt un change megschi fujatan;	Eh, forson ne evolucionante(?), pazo pos pazo, ma mikra pazi sempre adportas adavane, ma ulatempe on trovas vere tre subita chanjo;
zum Beispiel konnte sich 1989 im Sommer niemand vorstellen, dass die Mauer plötzlich fällt (...), für die sprachliche Mauer, dass jemand Milliardär auf die Idee kommt, ich investiere mal eine Milliarde Euro, damit jeder die Sprache sprechen kann, sei es Ido oder Esperanto (...) und nach drei Monaten haben wir plötzlich eine Million Sprecher; das wäre möglich (......)	mathalan in lient 1989, nimen ghohd fiker od id Wall fallt stayg (...), protiev id linguistic wall, od id idee gwehmt do sem milliardaire, investo ghi oin milliard om Euros, kay ielganghen ghehdt bahe id bahsa, leita de Ido au Esperanto (...) ed pos tri munts habmos stayg oin million bahtorn; to esiet possible	por exemplo en 1989 nulu povis pensar ke la Berlin-Muro subite krulus, por la linguala muro, se ula miliardero pensus pri to, e spensus un miliardo euro por to, sive Ido sive Esperanto...tri monati pos to ni trovus un miliono parolanti, to esus posibla...

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La quaresma parto dil interviuvo pri Ido en Germania, kun tradukuro anke en Sambahsa

E nun la quaresma parto dil interviuvo pri Ido en la Germana e tradukita aden Sambahsa da Olivier Simon - la triesma parto trovesas hike. Pro la manko di tempo me devos publikar hodie nur mikra tradukuro, do restas ankore la kinesma parto quan me intencas facar morge o posmorge. Me pensis ke la tradukuro bezonus nur quar parti ma la manko di tempo ne ton permisis..

Deutsch	Sambahsa	Ido
Herr Groth, ich muss ehrlich gestehen, so richtig verstehe ich immer noch nicht dieses Bemühen um eine Kunst-Weltsprache; es gibt schon eine Weltsprache, Englisch, eine lebende Sprache, die von sehr vielen Menschen gesprochen wird, häufig schauderhaft schlecht, trotzdem reicht es vollkommen zur Verständigung.	Herr Groth, dehlgo honeste-ye itirafe od tem prabh-ye ne bad vifahamo tod strehngen dia un artificial tienxia bahsa; est ja un tienxia bahsa, Englisch, un gwiv bahsa, quod meg pelu mensci bahnt, frequent-ye dekhschatic-ye, lakin id est alnos kafi pro intercomprehension.	Herr Groth, me devas honeste dicar ke me ne tote komprenas ica serchado por artificala mondo-linguo; ja trovesas mondo-linguo, la angla, qua esas linguo vivanta e parlata da tre multe personi, ofte parlata tre male, ma sat bone por interkomprenar.
Es reicht darum, um nach dem Weg zu fragen und vielleicht um einkaufen zu können, aber ich denke, dass wir eigentlich mehr Ansprüche an unsrer Kommunikation haben müssen als nur simple Alltagesfragen zu lösen, und leider ist der Masse der Menschen auch nach vielem Englischunterricht eine tiefer gehende Unterhaltung in einer Fremdsprache mit Menschen anderer Kultur verwehrt. Also das ist zumindest meine Beobachtung und das, was ich unterstreich’ ist, dass wir in der Ido-Bewegung, nicht nur Akademiker haben – die sind sogar eine Minderheit – sondern auch ganz normale Menschen, die nur normale Schulbildung haben, und die trotzdem perfekt diese Sprache sprechen können.	Idghi est kafi, kay prehge de sien itner ed maghses kay ghehde ambhkaupe, bet kehnso, od druve-ye poittmos kupes un alter communication, meis quem kay solve simple cadadiens questions, ed way sont ei masse im menscen forbohdt, hatta pos maung Englisch talim, profunder leitend tolks con menscens alyen culturs. It est bariem mien observation ed to, quo substreicho, est od habmos, in id Ido-movment, ne tik mualims – ti sont hatta un minoritat – sontern yaschi alnos normal menscens, qui hant haben tik un normal scoltalim, yed ghehdent bahe perfect-ye tod bahsa.	Ol esas sat bona por questionar pri la voyo o forsan komprar kozi, ma me pensas ke ni fakte bezonas vere plu multe en nia komunikado kam nur simpla omnadiala questioni, e desfortunoze mem pos multa studiado dil angla la maxim multa personi ne povas acesar profunda konversado kun homi del altra kulturo. Adminime to esas mea observo, e to quon me substrekizas esas, ke ni en la Ido-movado ne havas nur akademiani - li esas mem minoritato - ma vere normala personi, qui havas nur normala edukado, e qui malgre to povas parolar ica linguo perfekte.
Das war genauso, in meiner Zeit, ich spreche noch Esperanto und bewege mich in der Esperanto-Bewegung, dort haben sie also nicht nur Akademiker, mit denen ich sonst im englischsprachigen Raum zu tun habe, also wenn ich als Dozent oder als Vorträger halte auf Englisch, dann sprechen Sie nur mit Akademikern, und eigentlich schliessen sich da die Bevölkerungschichten aus mit diesem Verfahren, die vielleicht nicht fünfzehn Jahre Zeit haben, Englisch zu lernen, und an die Universität zu gehen, von dieser Kommunikation einfach raus, und das ist eigentlich auch nicht richtig, und von Menschen mit sprachlichen Behinderungen möcht’ich erst gar nicht erst reden, zu denen wir dann einfach sagen, dir wird alles zu schwer, du wirst nie Englisch lernen können, die könnten vielleicht eine Plansprache lernen.	Eet lika, in mien zaman, dar bahm Esperanto ed ago in id Esperanto-movment, ter habent i ne tik mualims, con qui sonst deilo in id englischbahdem, yaschi quando lehgo in Englisch ka docent au rapporteur, tun bahte yu tik con mualims, edghi ter se exclude ia populationsgrupps med tod proceddat qua maghses ne habent penkdem yars wakt kay uces Englisch ed gwahe id universitat, ex tod communication mer-ye alnos, edghi to ne est ieust, ed de menscens samt linguistic handicaps ne tolcskwo nun, quim wey tun mer-ye saygmos, tib to hol sessiet pior difficil, tu naiwo ghehdsies uces Englisch, ti ghehdient maghses uces un construct bahsa.	To esas exakta, en mea tempo, me parolas anke Esperanto e laboras anke en la Esperanto-movado, en qua anke trovesas ne nur akademiani, kun qui me parolas en lingui exter la angla, ma kande me uzas la angla kam instruisto o diskursanto, me parolas nun kun akademiani, tale exkludesas personi qui ne studiabas la angla dum forsan dekekin yari en la universitato, e to ne esas justa, e tale kun personi qui havas linguala desfacilesi me tote ne povas parolar; do a ta personi ni dicas ke esas tro desfacila lernar la angla, ma forsan tu povus lernar linguo konstruktita.

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La triesma parto dil interviuvo pri Ido en Germania, kun tradukuro anke en Sambahsa

Semblas ke ica tradukuro bezonos quar parti, do un dio restas ante ke ol finigesos. La duesma parto trovesas hike, ed en ta pagino trovesas la unesma. Por plu informajo pri Sambahsa (en la franca e la angla), videz hike.

En la yaro 2008 me skribis kelke pri ica temo, pri kad Ido esas Europa-centrizita o ne, e me ne pensas ke ol esas linguo kam l'altri (Occidental, Interlingua, edc.). Kande me unesme lernis Ido me pensis ke ica linguo tre similesis al altri lingui quin me savis, nome la japoniana e la koreana. Fakte, por me la persiana esas multe plu facila kam la germana, nam la gramatiko esas multe plu simpla e logikoza. Me povas skribar korekte en la persiana, ma en la germana, quankam lektar ol ne esas desfacila, skribar korekte esas tote altra kozo. En la persiana tote ne trovesas la genro gramatikala, e do me nultempe devas pensar pri to kande me olun skribas.

Ma la punto en la interviuvo anke esas vera, ke nun multa personi ja lernas lingui quale la angla, franca edc. e do mem Europa-centrizita linguo, se plu facila kam la nacionala lingui, esus multe plu facila por li. Ula mondo en qua trovesas kelka facila ponto-lingui anke esus vinko por la IAL-i.

Deutsch	Sambahsa	Ido
Aber, ich glaube, Sie haben doch eins zumindest gemeinsam, Sie sind komplett eurozentristisch, also von wegen Weltsprache, also afrikanische oder asiatische Sprachen finden sich überhaupt nicht da wieder und wahrscheinlich, es ist für Europäer relativ leicht, jetzt Ido oder Esperanto zu lernen, aber für die Bewohner der anderen Kontinente auf keinen Fall.	Bet, credeihm, yu habte yed oin ject in commun, yu ste alnos eurocentric, edghi dayir un mundbahsa, edschi de african au asiat bahsas ne se trehft in to nel-ye ject ed shayad, est pro Europays nisbatan facil nun uces Ido au Esperanto, bet in neid fall pro i habitants altern continents.	Ma me kredas ke existas un punto komuna, oli esas komplete Europa-centrizita, do quale mondo-linguo tote ne trovesas lingui de Afrika o Asia, lernar Ido od Esperanto esas relative facila por la europani, ma por la habitanti di altra kontinenti tote ne.
Doch. Es ist offensichtlich leichter Ido oder Esperanto zu lernen als Englisch oder Deutsch oder Französisch; wenn der europäische Sprachraum so eine Sprache hätte, und den Leuten von anderen Kontinenten, die als Verständigungsprache anbieten könnte, wäre es für die erheblich leichter einen Chinesen nach Europa zu schicken, der mehrere Länder zu betreuen hat, als wenn er dann Englisch, Deutsch und Russisch sprechen muss,	Si. Est okwivid-ye meis facil uces Ido au Esperanto quem Englisch au Deutsch au Franceois; sei id europay bahdem habiet un solg bahsa quod id ghehdiet porge ka intercomprehensionslingua im leuds altern continents, esiet pro ti muhim-ye meis facil yises un Chinese do Europe, qui tehrpt bespehce plur lands, quem sei so dehlct bahe Englisch, Deutsch au Rusk,	No. Lernar Ido od Esperanto esas evidente plu facila kam la angla, germana o franca; se Europa havus tala linguo e povus ofrar ol a personi de altra kontinenti kam ponto-linguo, esus vere plu facila por ula Chiniano irar ad Europa, funcionar en multa landi, plu facila kam se lu devus parolar la angla, germana e la rusa,
also insofern hätten diese auch Vorteile, aber natürlich, Sie haben recht, es ist insofern eine eurozentristische Sprache, weil sie die lateinische, zusammen mit dem indogermanischen Sprachraum eindeutig natürlich bevorzugt; aber wir haben eine solche Sprache auch zum Beispiel in Ost-Afrika, Kiswahili, eine Verständigungsprache die auch ohne deutsche oder, eh, europäische Wortwurzeln zum grossen Teil auskommt, und auch dort haben wir den Vorteil, dass wir nicht mehr von hundert Stämmen, die es dort gegeben hat, die Sprache lernen müssen, sondern das Kiswahili, und man kann in Ost-Afrika sich miteinander sehr gut verständigen.	also tischi brungient tosmed vantages, men naturelika, yu saycte prabh, to mant un eurocentric bahsa, ob id favoriset bfuaymey-ye latin, con id hol hindeuropay bahdem Men habmos un solg bahsa yaschi mathalan in Eustafrica, Kiswahili, un intercomprehensionslingua quodschi tekhnasst aun deutsch au, eh, europay werdraudhs in mier part ed terschi habmos id vantage od neti tehrbmos euces id bahsa om cent teuts qua eent ter, sontern Kiswahili, ed anghen ghehdt meg suaprete mutu.	do oli havas tala avantaji, ma naturale vu esas justa ke ol esas Europa-centrizita linguo, nam ol preferas la latina ed Indo-Europana lingui; ma por exemplo on trovas tala linguo anke en Est-Afrika, la Kiswahili, en qua maxim ofte ne trovesas vorto-radiki dal germana o europana lingui, e kun to ni havas la avantajo ke ni ne ja devas lernar cent lingui trovata ibe, ma nur Kiswahili kun qua on povas interkomprenar tre bone en Est-Afrika.

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La duesma parto dil interviuvo pri Ido en Germania, kun tradukuro anke en Sambahsa

E nun la duesma parto dil interviuvo (mp3 hike) en la germana pri la Ido-renkontro en Tübingen, tradukita aden Sambahsa ed Ido. La unesma parto esas hike.

And now the second part of the interview (mp3 here) in German on the Ido-renkontro in Tübingen, translated into Sambahsa and Ido. The first part is here.

Deutsch	Sambahsa	Ido
Wenn ich Sie richtig verstanden habe, Herr Groth, dann halten Sie trotzdem Ido für eine vereinfachte und verbesserte Version des Esperanto, die Paar Beispiele, die Sie vorhin gegeben haben, bona jorno, wenn ich mich recht entsinne, das klingt sehr italienisch, um nicht zu sagen lateinisch geprägt, ist es richtig?	Sei vos ho prabh-ye fahamen, Herr Groth, tun ayte yu lakin Ido un simplifiet ed kayjint version os Esperanto, ia pauk exempels, qua yu habte dahn prever, bona jorno, sei prabh-ye mehmo, to swehnt meg italian, kay ne sayge latin-prect, est to prabh?	Se me komprenas vu bone, Herr Groth, vu vidas Ido kam plu simpla e plubonigita tipo di Esperanto, de la kelka exempli quin vu donabas, "bona jorno", to aspektas tre quale la italiana, mem quale la latina, ka to esas justa?
Ja, also, Ido, wie das Esperanto, aus dem es entstanden ist, verzichten eigentlich darauf, wirklich eine Universalsprache zu machen, die dann so verfremdet ist, dass sie niemand mehr erkennt, also wenn man aus allen Sprachen der Welt etwas zusammenmischen würde, dann hätte niemandem Vorteilaufkommen, denn die Paar deutsche Wörter, die wir dort vielleicht finden würden, würden auch nicht weiterhelfen.	Yaghi, Ido, kam Esperanto ex quod id buit gohnen, tyehgve effective-ye makhe un tienxia bahsa, quod tun est tem tarnienihn, quem neti anghen rekehgnet id, tun sei anghen mixiet semject ex vasya mundbahsas, tun brungiet nimen to, iaghi pauk deutsch werds, qua trehviemos ter maghses, neti khakient nahehlpe.	Yes, Ido, quale Esperanto, de qua ol developesis, renegis la ideo di krear vera universala linguo quan nulu povus konocar, do se on mixus omna lingui dil mondo kune, por ke nulu havus avantajo, tale la kelka germana vorti, quin on forsan trovus ibe, nule helpus.
Das heisst, diese Sprache, das Ido, hat es konkreter gemacht, es gibt sechs Wortbildungsprachen, das Russische, das Englische, das Deutsche, das Französische, das Spanische, das Italienische, und aus diesen Sprachen wird versucht die Wortwurzeln herauszuextrahieren und dann wird gekuckt ob das geht, ob es sich nicht mit andern Wörtern zu Konflikten führt, und dann wurden diese Wortlisten gemacht,	To maynt tod bahsa, Ido, hat concreter act, sont six werdsurcenbahsas, rusk, englisch, deutsch, franceois, espaniol, italian, ed ex ta bahsas est piten extrage ia werdraudhs ed dind est chohxen an to leit, an to ne duct ad conflicts con alya werds, ed tun buir makht ta werddaftars,	To signifikas ke ica linguo, Ido, facabas ol plu konkrete, en Ido on trovas sis vortifado-linguo, la germana, la angla, la franca, la hispana, la italiana, e de ica lingui trovesas la radiki, qui esas explorata kad existas konflikto kun altra vorti, tale kreesas la vorto-listi,
und die sind zum grossen Teil diesen des Esperanto sehr ähnlich, wo Herr Samenhof mehr oder weniger intuitiv diese Methode hervor angewendet hat, aber ich hatte schon auf ein Paar augenfällige Probleme hingewiesen; der, natürlich, die Arbeit nicht fertig stellen konnte, ich meinte, es wäre von einem Menschen zuviel verlangt gewesen; und all die Idisten haben sich da hingegen unterschieden, dass sie auch die Sprache versucht haben, zu perfektionieren, bevor sie sie zusammen der Welt anbieten,	ed pleista sont meg samlik tibs os Esperanto, quer Poti Zamenhof meis au minter intuitive-ye hat prever nudt tod methode, bet io hieb ja dapihn attention ep pauk visible problemes; so, naturelika, khiek parakape id wehrg, mayno, to esiet est kupes pior ud oin mensc; ed vasyi Idistes se habent ter punor enderkwiten, dat ischi habent piten perfece id bahsa, pre comoffere id ei Mund,	e li esas tre simila a ti di Esperanto, en qua S. Zamenhof plu o min intuicale aplikis (ta metodo), ma me mencionis kelka problemi pri to; do naturale, la laboro ne esis kompleta, quon me volas dicar es ke tro multe postulesis por nur un homo; e la Idisti diferis, uzante la linguo li volis olun perfektigar ante ke li propozos ol al mondo,
während die Esperantisten gesagt haben, die Sprache muss sich erst durchsetzen, und kann dann verbessert werden. Sie haben eigentlich mehr Angst gehabt vor Spaltereien und sagen, OK, das ist vielleicht nicht das beste, aber wird man dies verzeihen und dann springen uns die Leute ab. Das sind zwei unterschiedliche Philosophien des Herangehens.	menxu i Esperantistes habent saygen, id bahsa dehlct preter se impones, ed maght dind ses kayjint. Habent ghi bilhassa bayt dissensions ed saygent, OK, kad tod ne est id gohdst, bet to est indulgen ed i leuds prijoinent nos. Ta sont dwo different philosophias ios proschleiten.	dum ke l'Esperantisti dicis ke la linguo unesme devas sucesar, pos ke on povus plubonigar ol. Li timis la posibleso di skismo e dicis ke bone, forsan ol ne esas lo maxim bona, ma on devas pardonar to e montrar ol a la homi. To esas la du diferanta filozofii.

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